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Shaka Quatuic
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Posted - 2009.01.25 15:11:00 -
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and you guys say the players who want to have just a small chance to catch you at a safespot (through a great deal of hard work btw) are whiners... you all really need to look in a mirror.
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Shaka Quatuic
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Posted - 2009.01.27 14:49:00 -
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heh you havent seen my challenge then. need I remind you that I am a cloaker myself, and have NEVER lost a cloaker to ANY camp of ANY size, and I have run some damn big ones whose members were using every trick in the current book.
In order to prove my point that cloaks need a counter, I am willing to run ANY one gate you 'dont nerf my cloak' whiners specify. your camp trying to catch me can be of ANY realistic size that can be encountered in the game (for instance no 700+ man blobs on the gate, as if you could manage to get that many) and use ANY tactics you choose. I will run the gate 6 times using cruiser class ships, once each way (coming into the system then turning around and breaking out) using each of the different cloak types. your sole objective is to prevent my escape from the camp any way you can, while the only limitation on me is that I must complete all the camp running in a single 23-hour period. you wont know which cruiser I am flying or what cloak I am using unless you manage somehow to kill it or I tell you after the run. perhaps you might catch a glimpse of me as I decloak to jump out, or re-cloak after I bust in.
yes this means that I will be risking a rapier for the covops test. it won't matter, as you will never catch it, and probably wont catch me in any of the other ships either.
as a final bonus round just for you, I will then break a typhoon through your camp to escape from the system. cloak or not it would be stupid to try to break into a camped system with a BS, so we wont go there.
here is the scoring:
if you catch me twice on the system break-in leg, you are doing pretty good, and either have enough friends or good enough tactics to catch me with a reasonable chance of sucess.
if you catch me 3 times breaking into the system, I would admit that my position that cloaks need a counter is questionable, but that doubt would depend on whether you got me with sheer numbers (luck) or actually used tactics.
catch me all 3 times breaking in, and catch me breaking out either 1) twice using non-covops ships or 2) ONCE using the rapier and I will abandon any and all argument that cloaks need a counter, and will stop posting on the subject entirely.
if you kill the BS - CONGRATULATIONS!!! If you cant catch a cloaked BS at a gatecamp you must REALLY suck!
any takers?
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Shaka Quatuic
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Posted - 2009.01.27 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Shaka Quatuic on 27/01/2009 15:46:02
I wasnt running camps at those times... lol
I can actually give you precise details on exactly what I was doing when I died each and every time...
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Posted - 2009.01.27 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Shaka Quatuic on 27/01/2009 16:06:45
Edited by: Shaka Quatuic on 27/01/2009 16:03:43
 Originally by: lebrata
Originally by: Shaka Quatuic
heh you havent seen my challenge then. need I remind you that I am a cloaker myself, and have NEVER lost a cloaker to ANY camp of ANY size, and I have run some damn big ones whose members were using every trick in the current book.
Really.....
Originally by: Shaka Quatuic
yes this means that I will be risking a rapier for the covops test.
A rapier like this one?.
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Shaka+Quatuic&id=4669175&page=1&filter=losses#mail
I was on a defense op CAMPING a gate when I lost that one. decloaked to kill the sabre, got whacked instead. you see, there is this tactic of having a dedicated tab on the overview set to show only ships of a certain type? the moment I decloaked to hit the sabre I got primaried. I wasnt trying to hide... matter of fact I got praise for having the balls of steel to decloak a force recon under those circumstances. YOU FAIL
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Or a cov ops like this one?.
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Shaka+Quatuic&id=4225489&page=2&filter=losses#fitting
that loss happened way back when I was living around orvolle... went scanning in 0.0, decided to stop to salvage a tasty T2 cruiser wreck, got jumped by a bomber. once again I WASNT TRYING TO HIDE... YOU FAIL.
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Or a typhoon with a cloak like this one?.
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Shaka+Quatuic&id=3782936&page=1&filter=losses#fitting
got jumped on ENTRY to a system - like I said above, cloak or not it is next to impossible to break INTO a system that is camped when you are flying a battleship solo. YOU FAIL AGAIN!
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Or this one?.
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Shaka+Quatuic&id=3657996&page=1&filter=losses#fitting
same situation as the previous typhoon loss. see I have a habit of using typhoons as a poor-mans Marauder (which I am sure is quite common). and when in 0.0, s**t happens. none of your examples do anything to tarnish my skill with cloaks. you sir are full of FAIL. ^^
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Posted - 2009.01.27 16:17:00 -
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matter of fact I can add 2 bomber losses of mine to that little list of yours. one of them I was experimenting with using one as a salvage boat in curse when a vagabond warped in on me at a gate, the other was out in esoteria when I was solo camping a gate hunting Stain interceptor pilots... killed one, tried for a second but he had a 10 man backup gang right behind him.
you see I am not above admitting my own losses. you sir are taking my losses out of the proper context, and applying them to my ability to perform in my stated challenge. I can take the heat.. can you? |
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Posted - 2009.01.27 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: lebrata
Originally by: Shaka Quatuic
I was on a defense op CAMPING a gate when I lost that one. decloaked to kill the sabre, got whacked instead. you see, there is this tactic of having a dedicated tab on the overview set to show only ships of a certain type? the moment I decloaked to hit the sabre I got primaried. I wasnt trying to hide... matter of fact I got praise for having the balls of steel to decloak a force recon under those circumstances. YOU FAIL
Actually considering that story you just told it was you that failed. And maybe your corp tells you that you have "balls of steel" for doing summat stupid but then the soft touch never did make good pilots in my opinion. YOU are responsible for your ship and your overview settings and all your losses are always your fault and excuses are not accepted and congratulations are a joke.
hahaha obviously you are misconstruing the reply then. I was not commenting on my OWN overview settings, but those of their anti-support, and gang commander. they did a good job of targeting me so quickly, and at no time did I say anything about whining about the loss, or not taking responsibility. I saw an opportunity to take on the sabre, and had reason to believe I could kill it and be gone again before they could react. my faulty tactical analysis, and I paid the price. once again, s**t happens. YOU FAIL because you attempted to take a ship loss out of its' proper context in a p**s poor attempt to impugn my argument. I am absolutely certain that I could do exactly the same to you, but don't bother myself with such stupidity. come back when you know how to debate.
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Posted - 2009.01.27 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: lebrata
Assuming you are telling the truth about the story (and i am undecided on that tbh), but uncloaking right next to 2 ecm ships a dictor and a frig all of them proly able to lock you before your uncloaking delay was even over is not a sign of a particularly good decision making mechanism.
And if your corp was proud of you for doing so and thought you were "brave" and not "totally stupid" i suggest you leave and join one who's members are not mentally impaired.
where the hell do you get the idea that I was 'right next to' all of those ships... does that appear anywhere in the killmail? if it does I would love to know. I saw an opportunity because the sabre was separated from them by about 25-30km, and their attention was elsewhere. I was fitted with arty so I engaged the sabre from a distance. their reaction was effectively instant, and I gladly give kudos to them for it - my decloak targeting delay in the rapier was roughly 4 seconds at the time IIRC.
in any case, if you really want to be able to criticize my skills, why dont you take me up on my challenge, instead of playing 'critique the killmail'? oh... thats right.... you're either afraid, or unable to. |
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Posted - 2009.01.27 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: lebrata
The dmg on the KM shows that most if not all the ships were well within dmg range, if the falcon had been at range it would not have had any dmg shown on the KM.
25-30KM is nothing and the delay you get from decloaking + lock time on a sabre would give all including the falcon and BB plenty of time to lock you. Firstly making your cloak useless as well as bubbling and proly pointing you as well as giving both jammers a shot at nailing you with all their mids.
So yea maybe you can get past a camp or two but tbh your pvp knowledge and decision making are poor.
once again... I am not in any way shape or form whining about my losses, and freely admit that I am not an uber pvp pilot, just that I am very good at using cloaks to elude the limited hunter tactics eve has as of now. your armchair analysis of killmails is irrelevant, as the issue is not pvp in any case. what exactly does it have to do with the topic here?
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Posted - 2009.01.27 21:26:00 -
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in any case I am done with lebrata... unless he wants a duel in the system of his choice. |
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Posted - 2009.01.27 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Shaka Quatuic on 27/01/2009 22:11:18
bring it... alt. you dont even HAVE kills or losses on the battleclinic boards |
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Posted - 2009.01.27 22:12:00 -
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why sissi? why not do it where it counts? |
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Posted - 2009.01.27 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Shaka Quatuic on 27/01/2009 22:26:22
Originally by: lebrata
Originally by: Shaka Quatuic
why sissi? why not do it where it counts?
This is a game so it does not count anywhere, but at least on sissi you can be moved into fd- and not have to travel across eve (and back) for a 1 v 1 fight.
geez... why do you think I bothered to italicize counts? it wasn't meant to be quite that literal. besides... I rarely go on sisi - dont even have a 2nd client installed atm - got no problem installing it for the purpose though. what class of ship do you prefer to duel in? I am talking general class... not specific shiptype. |
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Posted - 2009.01.27 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Shaka Quatuic on 27/01/2009 22:31:33
well.. I more along the lines of keeping things in equivalent class... for instance frig v frig, AF vs AF, or even AF vs T1 cruiser. it wouldnt be much sense to put a vaga vs a T1 frigate for instance. any duel should be decided more by tactics and skill than by weapon choice.
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